Talk:OS X Lion

Deletion?

Before deleting it, let's wait until the Keynote due for today will take place. Gorthan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.97.181.41 (talk • contribs)

Deletion? No way. We've got official info here: http://www.apple.com/macosx/lion/ . --Paracel63 (talk) 12:38, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

FaceTime isn't a feature of Lion

FaceTime is available for Snow Leopard as a download and so can't be seen as a feature of Lion. 193.60.83.241 (talk) 22:59, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

The same should probably apply to the AppStore - it isn't a feature of the operating system and should be removed. 193.60.83.241 (talk) 23:07, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

I Agree on FaceTime but the "Mac App Store" is one of the four features specially mentioned on Apple's own information page about Lion Apple.com: Lion. The point that it will also be made available to Snow Leopard users doesn't mean it isn't a Lion feature. The Mac App store will be included in every Lion install, that couldn't be said for Snow Leopard. The same point could be made for FaceTime which will probably be included in Lion but this isn't announced officially yet, the Mac App Store on the other hand is. Cyzor (talk) 23:32, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

FaceTime for Snow Leopard is just a beta. _Xeworlebi ^(talk) 23:36, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

It seems to me that FaceTime is nothing more than a new application from Apple, that's how it seems to be marketed after all. It's not like BootCamp in that way. Althepal (talk) 05:29, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

FaceTime Is included as part of the default install of Lion (as of the current Developer release) hence one might call it a feature, this would be much like Apple charging for the first n enabled airport cards to have the "feature" turned on Paddedcellpup (talk) 22:32, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

I think a new feature is one that wasn't included in the original release of the previous OS. Both FaceTime and the Mac App Store weren't and they are now by default. By that reasoning both the Mac App Store and FaceTime are new features to this OS. Cyzor (talk) 22:43, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

FaceTime isn't a feature of Lion. Rather, it is included in Lion. --Paddude (talk) 17:57, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Summer 2011 on Earth

It's not Summer at the same time on half the globe. Are they talking about Q4 or Q2 here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.243.206.102 (talk) 14:22, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

 Fixed --Cybercobra (talk) 16:06, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

No reason to specify which hemisphere. The keynotes simply state summer, which is when it will be released from the viewpoint of Apple. Even for the southern hemisphere, the definition of summer can vary by months on either side; in several countries, summer is synonymous with the dry season. Ideally, this will be changed out for an actual release date in the future, but for the time being it's easier to not clutter a simple word. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Araignee (talk • contribs) 03:05, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Licensing of "X" logo

Just wondering if there's any reason the X logo in the article should have any different licensing than File:Community_2009_logo.svg ? Althepal (talk) 19:31, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Rosetta

Does anybody know definitely whether the PPC emulator Rosetta will still be part of 10.7 or not?

92.226.203.91 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:37, 5 January 2011 (UTC).

Given the facts that a) it was optional in Mac OS X Snow Leopard, b) most (if not all) of the PowerPC-based Apple machines are marked as obsolete and c) even some of the first Intel-based machines are marked as obsolete and c) the transition goes back to 2005, I'd say they probably are going to let go of Rosetta. No sources, though. #!/bin/DokReggar -talk 08:29, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

When trying to launch a ppc app (such as NX Client) you receive a popup message telling you "PowerPC applications are no longer supported under os X" If they went to the trubble of adding this message it would lead one to believe support has been dropped - Paddedcellpup (talk) 23:05, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Here I found a source regarding Apple dropping Rosetta support in Lion and about stopping bundling Front Row and Java. --Eiduur (talk) 22:06, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Whoops! Already referenced. --Eiduur (talk) 22:12, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Any resolution independence info?

Resolution independence is and remains one of the most anticipated/hoped-for features, but surprisingly there's no information about it from Apple, at least to my knowledge. Has there yet been any official word either confirming or denying? With Macs having up to 2560x1440 res., both the largest and smallest MacBooks having fairly high DPI, and higher res. (like 3840x2160?) and DPI inevitable, it'd be crazy and painful to not have it ready to go. An even further delayed introduction in 10.8 would be about 6 years late ...at least.

Of course we'll know more about this in the summer. When it is intro'd, of course the article should mention it, but if it isn't, then the reaction from some prominent sources could warrant some mention and references. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.254.83.111 (talk) 19:27, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Oh, now this is hilarious. Literally minutes after I posted the above, info about "HiDPI display modes" in 10.7 hit the web. From what I've read thus far, it doesn't quite look like full resolution independence, but a halfway solution that would support quad resolution (double height/double width), an acceptable workaround if full res. independence is still too buggy to implement. More info will eventually be available from official sources to justify inclusion in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.254.83.111 (talk) 20:40, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Developer beta

Since a Developer build was released, I think that info should go into the article and infobox. Althepal (talk) 22:32, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Requirements

What is likely to minimum hardware for this version of OSX? Is Apple planning on dropping support for the first gen Intel macs (e.g. the Core Duo iMac?)? 82.69.60.196 (talk)

Yes, Apple is requiring a Core 2 Duo as the minimum processor (probably because of the change to 64-bit)--see this article. I for one am out of luck now! Drrll (talk) 19:57, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Full Screen?

Is there any source that says full screen mode requires a new button? I was under the impression that it would use the green zoom button. Should we remove the "new button" reference from the article? --Thekmc (talk) 14:05, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

There is a "Full Screen" button in the current developer build, its located in the upper right hand corner of the application window bar Paddedcellpup (talk) 22:34, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

In that case, we need a source for that. --Thekmc (talk) 22:40, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

I haven't yet found a source, other then my own use of it, but I did discover something odd .... the button is only there in some applications, it looks like support must be built in to the app to work - Paddedcellpup (talk) 23:10, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Autosave does not exist in iOS

Autosave is coming in Lion but the article says "Like iOS". This is untrue. Developers are encouraged to add auto-saving functionality, but there is no built-in API like that of Lion in at least iOS 4.x. Of course, unless someone can show me the documentation (I'd love to be proven wrong. It's annoying that Apple says iOS has this, yet the API doesn't back it up as far as I know). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.241.193.124 (talk) 01:49, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Scroll bar change in the newest build.

The iOS style scroll bars no longer disappear by default when they are not being used. They are now fixed along the right side of each window though you can have them fade automatically, stay all the time, or fade according to your input device in the preferences. See photo here.

Read about this on this thread. --Eiduur (talk) 19:09, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Mention WWDC Release

Apple, according to a press release, will release Mac OS X Lion at WWDC, along with a few other things. Here's the page.

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2011/05/31wwdc.html

Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.67.110.55 (talk) 22:21, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia has wiki in its name for a reason; Just Do It. Guy Harris (talk) 22:54, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

"Mac OS X" vs. "OS X"

Has anyone noticed that Apple seems to have renamed "Mac OS X Lion" to just "OS X Lion", dropping the "Mac" prefix? Not sure what this means for the name of this article, but it might have to be considered. Take a look: http://www.apple.com/macosx/ --Samvscat (talk) 19:50, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Support moving. --Zalgo (talk) 20:22, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Support waiting to see what happens when Lion ships. When the iPhone was first introduced, Jobs said it ran "OS X", but it later got renamed to "iPhone OS" and then "iOS". Whether Apple continues to call it "OS X" or not may well be subject to change. Guy Harris (talk) 04:06, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Support. Every press release and website of Apple tell "OS X Lion" and not "Mac OS X Lion". JohnHWiki talk - 10:23, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

If you ignore the page title, heading, and URL that is. Apple's usage is indeed inconsistent. --Cybercobra (talk) 11:45, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Hm, and now they've either changed the webpage or I was on crack when writing the previous comment. --Cybercobra (talk) 05:28, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Support moving. But wait until they ship. -- Henriok (talk) 20:48, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

I just redirected OS X Lion to this article until we choose what to do. — Jonathan Holbert (talk) 04:15, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

That's the right thing to do no matter what we do; see, for example, the page for OS X Snow Leopard. Guy Harris (talk) 04:57, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Is there a reason behind the dropping of the "Mac"? -- megA (talk) 09:34, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

To be more iOS like. I'm now objecting this now because the install of the GM tells "Mac OS X Lion". JohnHWiki talk - 11:08, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Well, it's just speculation but I think it's because they want to separate the hardware from the operating system. "Mac" is the computer. OSX is the operating system. Just like iOS in regards to nor specifying iPhone, iPod or iPad. I also think that they will find and remove all references to "Mac OS X" that remains in GM, but we'll see. -- Henriok (talk) 15:25, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

One OS to rule them all... (SCNR) -- megA (talk) 22:37, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

It's likely time to move this, now. The product is clearly "OS X Lion", not "Mac OS X Lion". Final thoughts? --Ds13 (talk) 19:11, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

It is clearly no such thing. If you go to Apple's home page, you see both "OS X Lion - The new king of the desktop" and, in the "Hot New Headlines" section, "Mac OS X Lion Available In July From the Mac App Store". If you go to the Hot News page, it says "Mac OS X Lion Available Today From the Mac App Store" and "Apple announced that Mac OS X Lion — the eighth major release of the world’s most advanced operating system — is available today as a download from the Mac App Store for $29.99." If you click on the "Mac OS X Lion" link, it takes you to a page for "OS X Lion" If you go to the page for the press release, it says "Mac OS X Lion" in several places, and "OS X Lion" in a few places. So Apple still use "Mac OS X Lion"; perhaps "OS X Lion" is nothing more than a short form for "Mac OS X Lion" if somebody's fingers are tired and they don't want to type "Mac" again. Guy Harris (talk) 23:23, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Interesting. Perhaps I didn't dig far enough. Good catches, there, sir. --Ds13 (talk) 15:33, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

You seem to imply that because Apple's rebranding wasn't perfect and consistent across the board that it could be some kind of accident. Yes, they still refer to it as "Mac OS X" in some places, but the trend appears to be towards calling this version (Lion) without the prefix. 86.28.125.98 (talk) 21:00, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

I'll believe it's an Official Rebranding(TM) rather than just "saving breath" when it's consistent, and not before. Given that the Mac Developer Center speaks of "Developing for Mac OS X Lion", it's not a definite trend. I know many people like to infer things about what Apple Really Means(TM) based on what they see on the outside of the Big Black Box that is Apple, but just because an inference seems "obvious" that doesn't mean it's true. Guy Harris (talk) 05:34, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Article mentions Autosave feature

Will we still be allowed to Save documents manually in addition to the Autosave feature just as a double check (IE just in case the Autosave skips a beat for some reason, and I'm typing a report that really, really needs to be Saved)? Perhaps this should be clarified in the Article. Frankly, I hope that such is the case. (Openapple S is a very simple command and very easy to remember.) The Mysterious El Willstro (talk) 03:24, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

It has been said so in yesterday's keynote. You can save manually, but the advantage of doing so is quite small. #!/bin/DokReggar -talk 11:26, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

That's a relief to hear! Even a "quite small" advantage is critical when saving a report for a class (in my book anyway). Besides, at least on the 1st save it's a way of gaurenteeing that the file goes to the folder that you want. (Those of us who went to school [K12] recently enough to take Com. Tech. know that Spotlight is meant to be supplement--not something to rely on 100% without organizing one's work at all--they can't stress that enough at basically any level of Com. Tech.) The Mysterious El Willstro (talk) 15:01, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

No controversy - upgrade to Snow Leopard ($$) before upgrading to Lion (more $$)?

I am surprised there isn't more discussion about the "double-upgrade" path from a user's present OS, to Snow Leopard - with implied cost - then again to Lion ...

This forces users who won't use Snow Leopard to pay for it anyway before being able to upgrade to Lion. Very arrogant behavior toward customers on Apple's part.

iTunes is a download mechanism that could provide the content, if Apple is truly wishing to just get away from physical media.

However, without physical media, and the Mac App Store being the only outlet, Apple is also cutting out the likes of Amazon, eBay, and other venues that have been sources for consumers before. This also forces users to create an account on the Mac App Store. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.20.163.202 (talk) 18:03, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Well, Wikipedia isn't a forum, so articles shouldn't have any discussion at all; it can have pointers to discussions happening elsewhere, noting, for example, in a "Controversy" section for the "Mac OS X Feral Kitty" page that "Feral Kitty's requirement that a DRM device be plugged directly into the user's nervous system in order to log into the machine has spurred much controversy", with links to posts at appleistheembodimentofallevil.wordpress.com etc. as references. The talk pages are for discussion of the article itself, not the subject of the article. Guy Harris (talk) 21:14, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Default, right?

The Article mentions that the frames of GUI windows are a slightly different shade of gray, and other things relating purely to visual appearance of the Graphic Interface. I'm assuming these are default settings. These matters of visual appearance are customizable via System Preferences (unless Apple is dropping System Preferences, which would surprise me; the trend since around 2000 has been toward more customizability rather than less). In any case, the Article should clarify this. The Mysterious El Willstro (talk) 20:48, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Release date

Hi. Im not sure about everyone else but i am getting fedup of users, normally IP users putting in release dates. They are no even constant they seem to be random! Its happening allot and people seem to ignore the hidden notes in the code. Can we protect the article to stop people from doing this please? Thanks. --JetBlast (talk) 22:00, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Apparently Peter Oppenheimer said "it'll be released tomorrow" during Apple's conference call July 19th, so there's finally an authoritative statement. Until now, it was just a bunch of bloggers throwing darts at a calendar. Guy Harris (talk) 22:19, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

I see typical, when i bring it up this happens :-). Do we have a source to back this up please? --JetBlast (talk) 22:22, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Desktops-and-Notebooks/Apples-OS-X-Lion-Launching-iPad-iPhone-Quarterly-Sales-Soar-163074/ Drrll (talk) 22:33, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

First OS X to have multiple versions?

there are two different versions of Lion depending on your Mac. Isn't this the first version of OS X to have different versions? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.245.196.201 (talk) 00:42, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Only if it's the first OS X major version that had to support a machine released after the major version was released (and that wasn't supported in that major version) but before the first Software Update came out. I.e., it might be, but that's not hugely significant - there have, in the past, been minor versions of the OS with different flavors for different machines, for example, Mac OS X 10.6.7. After that happens, if there are further Software Updates, one of them will often merge the support for the new machine into the main release, so that the new machine(s) will run the same flavor of the new version that other machines run. That appears not to have happened for 10.7.1, but it might happen for 10.7.2 or, if one comes out, 10.7.3. Guy Harris (talk) 01:02, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Next version of OSX?

Is Lion the final version of OSX? If not, what cat will they assign to 10.8?108.23.147.17 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 08:05, 21 October 2011 (UTC).

"Is Lion the final version of OSX?" Reply hazy, ask again later.

"If it's not, what cat will they assign to 10.8?" Perhaps, as suggested by an Apple employee I know, "Feral Kitty".

The only people who know are current and former Apple employees, and perhaps vendors, and they're not going to be talking. Guy Harris (talk) 09:05, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

The last version will probably be 10.9, and then they'll move to OS 11. Zach Vega (talk) 11:52, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Or not. uname() doesn't require single-digit components of version numbers (the version is a string), the Gestalt Manager explicitly says what would happen with gestaltSystemVersion in a hypothetical Mac OS X 10.10.5 and specifies calls to get the individual components as 32-bit numbers, etc.. Guy Harris (talk) 18:56, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Vandalism?

Second paragraph of "Release and Distribution" shows "yes, but I have a big hot dog." When attempting to edit out the line is non-existent. How do we remove this from the article, clearly vandalism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.234.217.82 (talk) 04:44, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

You wait for whatever cache is serving you the hot dog to time out - that bit of vandalism was removed by ClueBot NG a while ago; see the page history. Guy Harris (talk) 06:14, 28 October 2011 (UTC)